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Post by nzdesi on Oct 30, 2008 18:55:51 GMT 10
well being born and raised as a muslim in a non-muslim country ur faced with a lot of conflicting ideals, morals and societal pressures..
a question was asked by my mate about being able to compliment a girl about her beauty..he told me he got told off by her arab friends that they would have to kill him..i ofcourse told him that's rubbish and its ok to compliment the opposite sex and that those arabs r just bein typical extremists lol..
anyway..it got me thinking..
what's the islamic perspective about giving compliments to the opposite sex? i dnt want the cultural perspective..or wat ppl hav been brought upto believe..all i want..is the islamic religious perspective..
any1 out thr that can actually help out wit this?
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Post by prettyss0 on Oct 30, 2008 19:19:59 GMT 10
1st NZ desi ur most well come in our dosti club and thx to start a sensitive question frnd being a muslim we have certain limits to lead our lifes according islam and the rules of islam same for all muslims all around the world so being a muslim ur not allowed to give compliment on the beauty of stranger girl or women even she is muslim or non muslim Quran may saf likha hay k nasmahram say parda karo kiu k pheli nazar tumari hay aur doosri shetan ki aur moomin mardon k leay hukm hay k wo apni nazar neechi rakhen so frnd this is islam
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Post by dua on Oct 30, 2008 19:28:26 GMT 10
as according to islamic perspective a men cant compliment the opposite sex because its hadees about it " kai agar tumhare nazer na mahram per pare pahly to hata lo us kai bad ki nazar parna gunnnah hai"ek oro hadees khai kai ek sahabi hazoor saw kai sath the kai samne un ki nazar ek par pari or woh dekhte hi chly gye to hazoor saw ne un sahabi ka rukh apni taraf mor liya it means jab hum kise ko ek bar ki bar dobara dekh nhi sakte hain to phir coment kaise de sakte hain or coment do reason se hi deta hai ek jab cheez achi lagy or ek jab boore lage mazaq urana ho achy lagne wali cheez ki ap tareef karo ge to may be koi bad intention a jaye ap kai mind main us kai liye or mazaq uaraye ge to phir woh allah ka mazaq urana howa to bahatr hai kai in bataon se bacha jaye
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Post by nzdesi on Oct 30, 2008 19:30:05 GMT 10
hmm..wat if its like.. a compliment with the intention of appreciating the almightys creation of such perfection and beauty  disregarding that you become friends afterwards lol but somethin more serious..wat if shz ur friend and asks u directly..wat do u do..look down and say im not permitted to answer that? |
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Post by nzdesi on Oct 30, 2008 19:35:30 GMT 10
and besides..
altho i can see the common sense in lowering ur gaze..but in a country such as this..it just becomes embedded within u as a norm..and u compliment witout the intention of actually doing anything wrong..so does that make the shaitan point void? m so confused..
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Post by nzdesi on Oct 30, 2008 19:46:56 GMT 10
i knw i started off by asking the islamic perspective and ended up talkin about the cultural perspective..but does the religious aspect still count even tho culturally u hav been brought up to accept such things with no ill-intention?..i refer back to the shaitaan hadith..first look is urs..2nd is shaitaans..hinting at ill-intention and basic human desire (nafs?)..but..if ur in a place where such a ill-intention is..taken out..in a sense..does tht religious aspect still apply?
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Post by dua on Oct 30, 2008 19:56:46 GMT 10
yes it does apply coz aisa place sirf jannah hai jahan ill intention nhi hogi
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Post by nzdesi on Oct 30, 2008 20:06:19 GMT 10
jannat..the place all believers r promised after death.. would u care to explain how and why it still applies with consideration held to the fact that even tho u r complimenting..its with no ill-intention..it is purely just because you are awe struck in appreciation of such impeccability that is the opposite sex  so in a way..if thr is no ill-intetion towards such compliment..logic deduces that the religious aspect dealing with that concept no longer applies.. but then the question arises in saying that..the religious aspect does apply because it is not the disappearance of the ill-intention..but the numbing of the senses into accepting that such societal aspects no longer contain that hidden "shaitaan" behind them.. so confused..so conflicted.. will i have to giv up all my friends who are female.. |
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Post by dua on Oct 30, 2008 20:20:37 GMT 10
jannat ....the place all believers r promised AFTER death ... will u pls tell me wat is the life after death ...is any one have any idea about it....  or i think ap ek hi bat ko bar bar disucuss kar rahe hain yeh bat pahly mention ho chuki hai kai el mahram ya na mahram ka reltion ho hi nhi sakta hai to phir ill intention ko khatam kar dain ya ap us per controll kar lain but its mention in surat al baqar kai shetan ne allah se mohlat mangi hai is wolrd kai end day tak han ap apne shetan ko controll kar sakte hain  but the only one men jinhoon ne apne nafas ko apne controll main kia tha was hazart umar the jin ka quran main bhi zikker hai but for jannah if u really wanna go in jannah girls ya boys worht rakhte hain |
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Post by prettyss0 on Oct 31, 2008 6:46:16 GMT 10
Dua well come in club and gud to see u active here gi nz desi frnd ap 2 mukhtalif bat kar ra hay ho aik islam k point of view sai aik jis mahole may rahtay ho is k point of view say islam to mukamil ho chooka ag say 1400 saal phelY AUR NABI PAK KA AKHRI KHUTBA HI HURFAY AKHIR HAY to being muslim ap jahan bhi raho ya to apnay ap ko mukammil islami rules ka paband kar lo ya ap jahan rahtay ho wahan k hesab sau thori chane karlo yey to ap k upper hay magar islam k rules wohi rahen gay agar ap sachi bat kahtay ho k ap ka religous ap ko rokta hay kisi larki ki tareef karnay say to is may ap koi apna majjaq nahi urwao gay kiu k hamaray deen ki to har bat may logic hay jitna ap reserve raho gay ap utna hi buraeon say bacho gay islam mukamil zabtaey hayyat hay aik mukammil deen
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Post by deadly on Oct 31, 2008 12:37:44 GMT 10
uff baba main is main hisa nahi lay sakta hoon becz baat maslay ki hay our I M not a Alim or mufti khe khe khe
WEL COME DUA & nzdesi
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Post by nzdesi on Oct 31, 2008 18:37:52 GMT 10
lol..m a confused teenager lol
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Post by dua on Oct 31, 2008 21:14:29 GMT 10
well pretty ap ne mere reply theek se parhe hoon to main woh hi bat kah rahi hon jo ap kah rahe hain main nzdesi ko yeh hi samjha rahi thi kai islamic point of view se yeh kise bhi tarhan jaiz nhi hai kai ap gf bhi rakho or yeh bhi samjho kai koi ill intention nhi aye ya bas s frend hi to hain aisa kise bhii sorat jaiz nhi hai jo cheez jaiz nhi to nhi ap us main hazar logics lai ain u r right islam mukamal ho chuka hai hum ko bass allah ka hukam hai yeh soch or samjh kar follow karna hai
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Post by prettyss0 on Nov 1, 2008 6:55:20 GMT 10
yes Dua i know kiu k jo mera ya ap ka point hay wo according to the islam hay to nz desi frnd ap hamaray reply gore say parho ap ka confusion khatam ho jaey ga and deadly is bat pat bat karnay k leay alim hona zaroori nahi dost yey to wo bat hay jo har musalman janta hay m i r18 deadly
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Post by deadly on Nov 1, 2008 13:20:18 GMT 10
Dear zaroori nahi kay jo aap ko pata ho wo bataya bhi jahay jis cheez ho jis say pochnay ka haq hay us say he pochna chaheye hum sab ko maloom hona chaheye but is ka kiya proof hay kay jo hum sab ko maloom hay wo 100 % sahe hay , Ager is main ek bhi baat galat hoi tu is ka zimay dar khon howa  so main is baray main kuch nahi khe sakta |
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